Comments on TommyWonk: Obama, Appalachia and Working Class Whites

The website I refer to is one of, if not the most ...

2008-05-19T15:45:00.000-04:00

The website I refer to is one of, if not the most accurate electoral college map there is. It's a combination of polls that are cited, not just one. It is remarkably accurate. The site also does not call "dead heat" states even though they are shaded a particular color.

Today, Clinton beats McCain 284 to 237 by carrying FLA, PA and Ohio. Obama loses to McCain 285-242 by carryiong PA and losing close races in those southern states that are now "in play."

My point is about the bleed off of Clinton voters is there will be an impact. Those are centrist voters (or some less complimentary names some are calling them). They won't vote for a liberal, they'll vote McCain, which is worse than staying home. At what point does this bleed off compromise Obama's chances, particularly in battleground states you must win to have a shot at the White House. Ten to 20 percent could cost him the election, which is my fear.

The Electoral College map you cite places a state ...

2008-05-19T09:42:00.000-04:00

The Electoral College map you cite places a state in one column or another based on the most recent poll, even if that poll shows just a one point margin (as in Michigan). I prefer those that include a category of tossup states where recent polls are split or show one candidate ahead by less than the margin of error. (I've built my own model along these lines.)

As for the exit polls, the numbers showing supporters of one candidate not voting for the other are vastly inflated by the heat of the moment. The effect wears off fairly quickly. If these exit polls showing nearly half of Clinton supporters refusing to vote for Obama were accurate, we would see Obama stuck below 40 percent, instead of leading McCain, which he has done in almost every national poll over the last two weeks.

Actually, polling in West Virginia has McCain beat...

2008-05-19T09:13:00.000-04:00

Actually, polling in West Virginia has McCain beating Obama, and Clinton beating McCain. http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May19.html The issue will be how do blue collar voters in Ohio, Michigan, PA, Florida vote. You see a lot of comments about 4-8 southern states in play. We'll see in November. But what's the majic number of bleed off from Clinton supporters voting for McCain in key states that could cost the Dems the election. Exit polling in those states do not look good with close to 50% saying they won't vote or will vote for McCain.

There is a big difference between votes cast in a ...

2008-05-16T10:25:00.000-04:00

There is a big difference between votes cast in a primary and votes cast in a general election. Many of these white, blue-collar voters are registered Democrats because of local office holders who, while being Dixiecrats, still cling to the old party names. These people don't vote for Democratic presidents in November. They are not ours and they never have been. They will track as far right as they can in November and that means they will vote for McCain, regardless of who we nominate.

I hate ceding any race but there are some you've simply got to recognize as lost before you start. Obama didn't spend much time in West Virginia because he understood the dynamics there. It will be even worse in November. That's a given.

Thankfully Obama is forming a strong enough coalition in the rest of the nation to overcome the pockets of history's resistors in Applachia. It will take dragging, kicking and screaming, to bring these people into the twenty first century of America. I believe Obama is the man for the job.

This has been my assumption. It is good to see it ...

2008-05-16T06:30:00.000-04:00

This has been my assumption. It is good to see it borne out with some data.